08:02:58 PM Avagene Moore:Welcome to the Thursday night Round Table discussion in the EIIP Virtual Forum! ... 08:03:18 PM Avagene Moore:We are pleased to have everyone with us tonight for 'News Quest' as we discuss the written word in the context of professional development. ... 08:03:33 PM Avagene Moore:To lead us in an informal discussion tonight, may I introduce ... 08:03:43 PM Avagene Moore:Shari Coffin, Editor of the International Association of Emergency Managers (IAEM) Bulletin and ... 08:03:56 PM Avagene Moore:Daryl Spiewak, CEM, IAEM Communications Committee Chairman; Daryl is 08:04:16 PM Avagene Moore:on the Editorial Board for the annual Journal published by the 08:04:30 PM Avagene Moore:Shari and Daryl will tell us a little about their committees, perhaps touch on guidelines for submitting articles, and tips for improving writing skills. ... 08:04:50 PM Avagene Moore:Shari and Daryl want to hear your ideas, too; your questions and comments are welcome. ... 08:05:02 PM Shari Coffin:The Bulletin is our monthly newsletter, which last year expanded to offer a "semi-journal" edition every quarter, with longer articles by outside guest authors. Our quarterly "special-focus" issuses feature 6-8 articles on a particular topic by authors (not the editor). 08:05:41 PM Avagene Moore:Shari, we will let you have the floor now to start our dialogue. Shari. 08:06:01 PM Shari Coffin:The editorial committee is the "brains" -- giving ideas, suggesting experts to write articles, and reviewing submissions. 08:06:35 PM Shari Coffin:So far, our topics have covered terrorism, two floods, crisis communications and infrastructure. 08:07:35 PM Shari Coffin:Topics coming up are: in July, IAEM and its partners; in October, international; in January, "special forces" meaning special chem-bio units, NEST, etc.; April - training, drills and exercises; and next July, EOCs. 08:08:12 PM Shari Coffin:We are always looking for fresh ideas, and people who can serve as experts, either authors or resources. 08:09:06 PM Avagene Moore:Do you request articles or do people submit unsolicited pieces to you? 08:09:32 PM Shari Coffin:Contributions are not limited to those special topics; we frequently try to combine several articles on a topic on a "non-special" issue. For example, the May issue, just mailed, covered your EIIP discussion on EM and the clery, along with an article from Minnesota on a personal experience. 08:10:02 PM Avagene Moore:(Thank you for publishing the Virtual Forum article.) 08:10:06 PM Shari Coffin:Avagene, we both request, and take unsolicited pieces. Usually, we don't get too many unsolicited, so we try to seek out the best possible authors. 08:10:29 PM Shari Coffin:We would like to see more just "come in over the transom." 08:10:41 PM Avagene Moore:Tell us a little about your committee and how it works. 08:10:56 PM Avagene Moore:Who is on the committee? 08:11:32 PM Daryl Spiewak:We have 10 members right now that are regulars... 08:11:39 PM Shari Coffin:The committee meets during mid-year and annual conferences, and sometimes via teleconference. 08:12:14 PM Shari Coffin:(sorry to be so slow). Members brainstorm ideas for special-focus topics, talk about approaches, and recommend potential authors. 08:12:16 PM Daryl Spiewak:We get others who check out our committee and offer ideas but are not regular contributors. 08:12:52 PM Daryl Spiewak:The committee meets over the Internet, through e-mail, and by telleconferences... 08:12:54 PM Shari Coffin:When articles come in, I send them to a couple of members for review, and suggestions for improvement if necessary. 08:13:14 PM eric sutherland:Could you please provide a contact for membership in IAEM or an address to subscribe? 08:13:18 PM Daryl Spiewak:We only hold two regular meetings, both during IAEM's conferences.. 08:13:30 PM Shari Coffin:Their comments are important, to make sure that what emergency managers most wan to know about gets covered. 08:14:00 PM Daryl Spiewak:Sure Eric. Just let me, Shari or IAEM Headquarters know you are interested and we will do the rest. 08:14:10 PM Shari Coffin:Eric, we made an offer to send three free issues of the Bulletin to anybody on this chat... send me your mailing address via e-mail, to skayec@aol.com, and I'll make sure you get your copies as well as membershp info. 08:14:24 PM Avagene Moore:Daryl, you work with the American Society of Professional Emergency Planners (ASPEP); tell us about the opportunities for papers published in the ASPEP Journal. 08:14:39 PM Shari Coffin:We also have brief "author's guidelines" that we can send you if you're interested in submitting an article. 08:14:54 PM Daryl Spiewak:This year the committee was not as active as last year because we had to give our changes a chance to work... 08:15:32 PM Daryl Spiewak:Most of the work we are doing this year is to seek out authors and experts, and then bug them until we get a finished article. 08:16:03 PM Daryl Spiewak:The ASPEP Journal is published once a year in conjucntion with the IAEM annual conference. 08:16:08 PM Shari Coffin:Having Daryl on both committees is useful, because, for example, if someone sends me an article that's too long or complex/theoretical for the newsletter, I'll pass it along to Daryl as a possible item for the ASPEP Journal. 08:16:24 PM Avagene Moore:Good teaming there! 08:16:27 PM Daryl Spiewak:A Call for Papers is out now with a deadline of July 31, 1998. 08:17:05 PM Daryl Spiewak:The papers cover all aspects of emergency management and usually run 1500 to 4000 words. 08:17:09 PM Shari Coffin:Journal articles tend to me much longer; for the newsletter, we look for shorter articles (750 words or less) that emphasizee the practical, "on-the-ground" information or analysis of "lessons learned." 08:17:38 PM Daryl Spiewak:Our eidtors review the articles, offer suggestions for improvement and work with the authors to get the completed article published. 08:17:54 PM Shari Coffin:We have tried to get more, as we have dubbed them, "disaster du jour" articles, briefly summarizing response to an actual event and what was learned that others might be able to apply. 08:18:59 PM Daryl Spiewak:For details on article submissions, contact Thomas Heath at tmheath@globalserve.net... 08:19:09 PM Shari Coffin:We know it's sometimes hard to sit down afterwards and put pen to paper, but we have developed a short form to fill out -- you can fill in the basic information without trying to create a work of art, and the editor can help flesh it out into a story. 08:19:19 PM Daryl Spiewak:Contact me at daryls@brazos.org... 08:19:44 PM Daryl Spiewak:Or check out http://www.globalserve.net/~tmheath/. 08:19:58 PM Shari Coffin:Or just call or e-mail an idea, with a contact name, and we'll follow up as many as we can. 08:20:05 PM Avagene Moore:(Audience, please feel free to ask a question or comment.) 08:20:50 PM Shari Coffin:I'd like to ask the others out there, if they see a need for any particular types of information, or areas you'd like to see explored in a newsletter or on articles posted on the IAEM Web site. 08:21:05 PM Daryl Spiewak:After action reports, summaries, notes, etc., can be sent to Shari and me and we will develop a short article on the incidents if you don't want to or can't write the article yourself. 08:21:14 PM Shari Coffin:What are the major problems plaguing you in your work? 08:21:47 PM Amy Sebring:Do you ever have to send out reject letters Shari, Daryl? 08:21:52 PM Shari Coffin:What issues do you feel need to be addressed? 08:22:17 PM Shari Coffin:And how would newsletter articles serve the purpose differently from EIIP chats, for example? 08:22:18 PM Daryl Spiewak:Yes we have. Particularly when the author was unclear or unfocused. 08:23:25 PM Avagene Moore:Do you find that writing skills are sufficient in most cases? 08:23:32 PM Shari Coffin:I wish we were in a position to have so many, that we could be exceptionally choosy. But we have told some that articles weren't appropriate. Usually, we're dealing with people we have invited to submit something, so we work with them to make sure the article is clear and useful. 08:23:55 PM Daryl Spiewak:Just because an author gets rejected doesn't mean the article cannot be rewritten. We offer a lot of help for those who have a good idea and are not sure of the approach to take with their article. 08:24:11 PM Shari Coffin:If you haven't gotten yours, yet, Amy, your weather radio article is in the May issue. 08:24:27 PM Amy Sebring:Shari, I expect you are looking for some 'new' angles ... but there is material to be mined in the fundamentals. We are having a dynamite discussion on our preparedness mailing list about planning. 08:24:31 PM Avagene Moore:Good for you, Amy. 08:24:35 PM Amy Sebring:Great Shari! 08:24:50 PM Kevin Farrell:(yea Amy!) 08:25:05 PM Avagene Moore:Yes, I agree the discussion going on is going to continue for awhile too. Hot. 08:25:27 PM Shari Coffin:I must get on some of your lists, Avagene. Just haven't gotten that far yet. I'm doing good to chat, don't you think? 08:25:31 PM Avagene Moore:Might be a good article there. 08:26:04 PM Amy Sebring:(You are doing great Shari, and we appreciate the support for EIIP in the bulletin.) 08:26:04 PM Shari Coffin:We'll talk... 08:26:16 PM Kevin Farrell:a compilation of the 'plans' thread Ava? 08:26:36 PM Avagene Moore:Might work, Kevin.l 08:26:37 PM Shari Coffin:The EIIP has many good topics. Do you have some thoughts are the best way to work together to make the most of the material for both purposes? 08:26:42 PM Daryl Spiewak:We could use a long article in the ASPEP Journal (hint, hint). 08:27:24 PM Shari Coffin:Perhaps we could jump off from articles in the Bulletin, and use them to prompt EIIP discussion? 08:27:47 PM Shari Coffin:We've already gone the other direction. 08:28:12 PM Avagene Moore:Yes, Daryl. Yes, Shari, and the jumping can continue to be in either direction. 08:28:26 PM Amy Sebring:We are tackling the tough one in May in our Panel Discussion... special needs of the elderly, since it is Elderly Americans Month. 08:28:38 PM Amy Sebring:This is a topic that some would rather keep in the closet! 08:29:07 PM Avagene Moore:Yes, and the topic is barely touched --- need to explore the whole disabilities issue. 08:29:18 PM Shari Coffin:Are there discussion groups on the other targets we have set for our special issues: such as training & drills, international, EOCs? 08:29:29 PM Daryl Spiewak:That's true Amy. But it is important. Look at the number of people who died in Chicago during their heat wave a ccouple of years ago. 08:29:42 PM Amy Sebring:Yes, due to lack of planning. 08:29:48 PM Shari Coffin:I'll try to join the "elderly group" (already have, actually), and try to snare some authors. 08:30:13 PM Avagene Moore:Shari, we need to jump start the other discussions 08:30:29 PM Kevin Farrell:Info on EOC's and 911 centers would interest me Shari 08:30:35 PM Shari Coffin:Daryl, maybe we should consider using the "hot" EIIP topics to help us determine special-focus issues... 08:30:49 PM Daryl Spiewak:I agree, Shari. 08:30:52 PM Avagene Moore:Would be of considerable interest to many people, Kevin and Shari. 08:31:04 PM Amy Sebring:What is so funny is that when we started out with the website... 08:31:24 PM Amy Sebring:we couldn't come up with one topic, but once we got started, never had any more trouble. 08:31:30 PM Daryl Spiewak:Kevin, what kind of information would you be interested in about EOCs and 911? 08:31:43 PM Avagene Moore:And as a rule, no problem getting someone to discuss issues. 08:32:00 PM Kevin Farrell:My organization has a brand new 911 center.... We're still learning the ropes... 08:32:21 PM Kevin Farrell:Tilling untilled ground, so to speak. 08:32:53 PM Shari Coffin:Do you make an effort to compile experts who participate in each topic of discussion, and to try to pull together some of the discussion points? Or does it just flow on freely? 08:33:18 PM Amy Sebring:Actually, I thought Wayne Blanchard's presentation last Wed. was also filled with some exciting information about the higher education project. 08:33:21 PM Daryl Spiewak:Kevin, have you checked out 911 articles in the radio electronics magazines, city & county government magazines, and the Internet? 08:33:26 PM Avagene Moore:Did those of you on the preparedness mail list see the last response today where the guy spun off into nuclear power plant planning, requesting ideas, etc.? 08:33:46 PM Kevin Farrell:I'd like to learn from others experiences..... 08:34:12 PM Avagene Moore:Shari, we do seek out experts and try to cover all bases (government, academia, business, volunteers) in the panels. 08:34:40 PM Amy Sebring:By the way, Kevin is doing a presentation Saturday on VFRE live chat on this topic! 08:35:02 PM Amy Sebring:Noon Eastern. http://www.vfre.com 08:35:08 PM Shari Coffin:One area I've tried to get a grip on for the newsletter, is how to get short summaries of important research...so busy professionals can know what's worth reading in depth, with an advance clue to how it might prove useful. Any ideas? Most researchers are too pressed, and most of the rest of us don't have time to ready EVERYTHING. 08:35:22 PM Daryl Spiewak:Kevin, how about submitting a paper on your presentation to the EIIP? 08:35:28 PM Avagene Moore:We try to cover the basics of a topic and keep the dialogue focused in a chosen direction, otherwise, you are all over the map. 08:35:28 PM Amy Sebring:Excellent point Shari!! 08:35:39 PM Shari Coffin:Kevin, which topic? 911? EOC? 08:36:01 PM Kevin Farrell:Building a 911 center where none existed before 08:36:40 PM Kevin Farrell:CAD/GIS and a lot of learning to do.... 08:37:03 PM Daryl Spiewak:Shari, how about short descriptions of articles on the net that might be of interest to EMs with an address to get the complete article? 08:37:15 PM Amy Sebring:You might start with Claire Rubin as an in. And the Natural Hazards conference in Boulder, David Butler, would probably be interested in helping as long as you don't steal his articles? 08:38:01 PM Avagene Moore:This has always been a problem with the mountains of research. 08:38:09 PM Amy Sebring:I think you could do some cross- fertilization there, by telling David Butler what Emergency Managers are interested in. 08:38:22 PM Shari Coffin:I thought business-type stealing was call "benchmarking"... 08:39:17 PM Shari Coffin:So...how many new authors have we recruited tonight? 08:39:35 PM Avagene Moore:Aren't most of the researchers and their libraries interested in selling only hard copies of their papers? 08:40:01 PM Daryl Spiewak:Eric, are you volunteering through the silent majority? 08:40:08 PM Shari Coffin:Yes, but if we could point people to the good ones, it wouldn't be costly one at a time... 08:40:09 PM Kevin Farrell: Shari, you should be in sales.... 08:40:17 PM Amy Sebring:I am getting the impression Ava, that researchers use their papers for a conference presentation, and after that may be willing to share. 08:40:40 PM Shari Coffin:Kevin, I wrote down your name for 911... 08:40:50 PM Avagene Moore:Shari, I am an old recruit. Well I know I went to the library at Boulder and they were very helpful but I had to buy every article. 08:41:10 PM Avagene Moore:Looking for taxonomy stuff. 08:41:16 PM Amy Sebring:Yes, but if you contact the author's directly. 08:41:23 PM Kevin Farrell:we've only been live since Dec 7th... it'd be a short story. 08:41:28 PM Avagene Moore:Maybe so. 08:41:41 PM Daryl Spiewak:There are a lot of articles available for free downloading from the Natural Hazards webpage. 08:42:01 PM Amy Sebring:Yes, some interesting stuff in the Quick Reports. 08:42:17 PM Shari Coffin:For example, though, Kevin, where did you go for guidance on where to start? 08:42:17 PM Avagene Moore:Shari, Daryl, any quick writing tips? 08:42:50 PM Avagene Moore:(you answer first Kevin. sorry) 08:42:53 PM Shari Coffin:There's no such thing as good writing that's quick. 08:43:03 PM Avagene Moore:Quick tips? 08:43:26 PM Kevin Farrell:29 years in the fire service.... doing it the wrong way. 08:43:53 PM Daryl Spiewak:I try to contact various presenters at the conferences I attend to see if they would like to write an article based on their presentation. Most say yes, but then get lost during the follow-through. So Shari and the Committee members spend a lot of time tracking these guys down and convincing them to submit the artcle so we would leave them alone. 08:44:18 PM Avagene Moore:That makes me laugh, Daryl. 08:44:18 PM Amy Sebring:I call that "Management by Nagging to Death"! 08:44:31 PM Avagene Moore:Yes, that's a good name for it. 08:44:41 PM Shari Coffin:Sorry to be flip...Be direct; get to the point; make an outline so it's organized; focus on what you think your audience can learn from your experience... 08:45:00 PM Daryl Spiewak:Focus on a single idea. Keep the writing accurate, clear and free from misunderstanding. 08:45:19 PM Shari Coffin:More tips: use active verbs, strong verbs, short anecdotes can make a dull topic come alive. 08:45:22 PM Amy Sebring:Shari, any thought to putting past issues on the IAEM website, or are you doing that already? 08:45:56 PM Daryl Spiewak:Make sure there is a logical develeopment and arrangement of ideas and that you stick to the essentials. 08:46:15 PM Shari Coffin:Amy, we're in the process of reorganizing the Web site, and our plan is to put articles there, and at least for every issue, the full table of contents. Certainly we'd want to post the special-focus issues after they've been out. 08:46:27 PM Daryl Spiewak:Write in a friendly manner. Similar to the way you would talk to a friend. 08:46:32 PM Avagene Moore:Good idea, Shari. 08:47:02 PM Amy Sebring:Let me know when its up and I will put a link in our Library. 08:47:02 PM Shari Coffin:Other tips: Subheads and "bullets" can help the reader follow your thought process. 08:47:36 PM Shari Coffin:Yes, a writer I know says, when he's having trouble starting off, "How would I tell this to Uncle Joe?" 08:48:04 PM Daryl Spiewak:If uncle joe would understand it, so would our emergency managers. 08:48:25 PM Shari Coffin:Thanks, Amy. Perhaps, if you have archives on a particular topic, and we've done an article on that topic, we could send it to you directly for posting right there, too. 08:49:10 PM Shari Coffin:Eric, what will your article be about? 08:49:27 PM Avagene Moore:(Boy, she's good!) 08:49:33 PM Shari Coffin:Or what articles would you like to see? 08:50:00 PM Avagene Moore:Is Eric still online? 08:50:18 PM eric sutherland:Our business has created an exceptional technicla tool that may be of some use to EM's. 08:50:24 PM Shari Coffin:Avagene and I have talked about doing a workshop on writing effectively, perhaps even an online one. Do you think that would interest people>? 08:50:55 PM Shari Coffin:Eric, good...what is it? 08:50:55 PM Amy Sebring:No pitching Eric!! 08:51:07 PM Kevin Farrell:what is that Eric? 08:51:11 PM Amy Sebring:However, I do think you could write an informational article. 08:51:21 PM Daryl Spiewak:One suggestion for our web page is to include the papers, notes, handouts, and presentation slides form our annual conference. This way those who could not attend would at lest have the benefit of the knowledge the rest of us gained from being there. 08:51:36 PM Avagene Moore:Good idea. 08:51:43 PM Amy Sebring:Shari, would love to have you do a class in the classroom! 08:51:52 PM Shari Coffin:Why not pitch? If it's useful, people may want to hear. Although I prefer an article that is a "soft sell," with the focus not on the sale pitch, but information, as Amy said. 08:52:08 PM Kevin Farrell:touche~ Amy! 08:52:19 PM Daryl Spiewak:Shari, that would be a great topic for the ASPEP Journal, too. 08:52:20 PM eric sutherland:Sparing you all the sales pitch, I am really trying to connect with some body in your industry that could put me on a dispatch list so that we might proof our product in the face of real adversity. 08:52:40 PM Avagene Moore:Amy, Shari and I discussed the idea of a virtual classroom on writing. 08:52:48 PM Amy Sebring:Eric has come up with georeferenced video. 08:53:04 PM Amy Sebring:Way cool, and we hope to do a Tech Arena session. 08:53:37 PM Kevin Farrell:I'd like to hear about that.... 08:53:46 PM eric sutherland:I am now lurking around the web looking for information about how to be informed in the event of a large scale emergency. 08:53:50 PM Amy Sebring:go ahead and put the link up to your site eric 08:54:11 PM Kevin Farrell:(ah... she relents) 08:54:25 PM Daryl Spiewak:Eric, www.fema.gov has situation reports on major disasters in the US. 08:54:42 PM Amy Sebring:well...I know if you let him get started .... he won't stop!! 08:54:56 PM Kevin Farrell:< g > 08:55:10 PM Avagene Moore:Have we scheduled Eric for the Tech Arena yet? 08:55:26 PM Amy Sebring:Not yet, this was his test this evening for connecting and getting the flow... 08:55:31 PM Amy Sebring:I think he has passed! 08:55:37 PM Shari Coffin:Do you all think that there's a way, when I'm working on a story on a particular topic, to use the EIIP to ask for anyone who has insights, or an article contribution, to come forward? 08:55:37 PM Avagene Moore:Sure he did. 08:56:02 PM Amy Sebring:But, he is looking to prove his product's value to the EM community... 08:56:06 PM Amy Sebring:which is a good idea. 08:56:18 PM eric sutherland:Thank you Daryl, the problem with the web or any other passive media is I might not get the news as timely as I would like to. 08:56:37 PM Kevin Farrell:Sure Shari. That's what the listserv is for.... 08:56:39 PM Amy Sebring:Yes, it is hard to predict where something will happen eric...you have to move fast! 08:56:59 PM Daryl Spiewak:Why not write up a description of the product for the newsletter and EIIP and ask readers to volunteer to test it? 08:57:24 PM Amy Sebring:Yes, a Tech Arena session may help you make those kinds of connections. 08:57:58 PM Avagene Moore:Amy, wouldn't the mail lists be appropriate for Shari's need to find insights, etc.? 08:58:04 PM Amy Sebring:I love the classroom idea ... need to do some creative thinking on that one? 08:58:04 PM Kevin Farrell: <--- I beta test anything that looks like it might be cool.... 08:58:16 PM Amy Sebring:Yes, I think that would be appropriate Ava. 08:58:31 PM eric sutherland:I don't really want to sing the praises of our product to this community until I have real world experience with what it can accomplish. 08:59:01 PM Amy Sebring:I think you can come and talk about the potential for EM in our venue Eric, and possibly make the connection you need. 08:59:04 PM Daryl Spiewak:Eric, have you gotten on any LISTSERVs or news push e-mail lists? They would let you know of events that are happening. 08:59:10 PM Avagene Moore:I believe we see we can coordinate a little more closely and help out the EIIP, IAEM Newsletter and the ASPEP Journal. 08:59:46 PM Avagene Moore:Guys, the old clock on the wall says it is almost 9 PM Eastern...any closing comments? 08:59:48 PM Amy Sebring:We still need that print media to reach those folks that are not online yet! 08:59:56 PM Daryl Spiewak:Connections and networking. That's what this is all about. 09:00:09 PM Shari Coffin:Right, Avagene. I think the idea is to network, in multiple forums, and keep those connections open. 09:00:15 PM eric sutherland:With our device, we can conclusively document the aftermath of an event, but this is of little help unless we can put information about what has happened immediately into the hands of the local authorities that are doing the planning. 09:00:22 PM Amy Sebring:I like print media also, and don't think it is about to dissappear. 09:00:24 PM Shari Coffin:Daryl, we hav ESP.. 09:00:31 PM Amy Sebring:Eric, put up your web address. 09:00:40 PM Avagene Moore:Yes, we all have the right idea. Let's all work together to benefit us all. No print is not going away. 09:00:54 PM eric sutherland:Please e-mail me if you know of any notification systems for disaster response 09:01:26 PM eric sutherland:Thank you for facilitating this exchange. ericsuth@redhensystems.com 09:01:28 PM Daryl Spiewak:What's your email address, Eric? 09:01:33 PM Shari Coffin:Thanks, Avagene. This was fun... We'll talk more about all the follow-up. Good night everybody. THanks for coming. Looking forward to your articles. 09:02:01 PM Amy Sebring:http://www.redhensystems.com 09:02:16 PM Avagene Moore:Thank you, Shari, and Daryl. Very good show! Thanks to Kevin, Amy and Eric too. Great to have you all here tonight. 09:02:19 PM Amy Sebring:ericsuth@redhensystems.com 09:02:33 PM Amy Sebring:Thanks guys. Good job! 09:02:40 PM Avagene Moore:Look forward to your presentation Eric. Good night! 09:02:45 PM Daryl Spiewak:Good night and Happy End to Seinfeld. 09:03:16 PM Avagene Moore:Yes, thanks a million, Daryl and Shari. You are a good team... is that grandbaby on the way, Daryl? 09:03:34 PM Kevin Farrell:Thanks everyone. Good night! 09:03:41 PM Avagene Moore:Bye, Kevin. 09:04:05 PM Shari Coffin:Bye, I'm logging off... 09:04:13 PM Avagene Moore:bye, thanks! 09:04:16 PM Daryl Spiewak:He is due anytime next week. It will be my second grandson. 09:04:29 PM Avagene Moore:Congratulations. Now you need a girl. 09:04:39 PM Daryl Spiewak:Definitely!!!!!! 09:04:49 PM Avagene Moore:Absolutely! 09:04:52 PM Avagene Moore:Let 09:05:09 PM Avagene Moore:us get out of here, guys. See you later. Thanks again. 09:05:15 PM Avagene Moore:Bye now. 09:05:17 PM Daryl Spiewak:Bye.