08:08:53 PM Avagene Moore:Welcome to the Round Table, folks. Sorry for the lack of our leader tonight, but we are in the business of Emergency Management... 08:08:58 PM Avagene Moore:We will carry on... 08:09:09 PM Avagene Moore:We are here to talk about planning.... 08:09:35 PM Avagene Moore:My experiences as a local emergency manager always left me thinking there must be better plans.... 08:09:48 PM Avagene Moore:I was given the old model plans to work from... 08:09:57 PM Avagene Moore:Left a lot to be desired.... 08:10:13 PM Avagene Moore:I would like to hear from anyone who does planning today.... 08:10:24 PM Avagene Moore:What type of plans do you have? 08:10:45 PM Amy Sebring:The problem with model plans is that they were boilerplate... 08:10:46 PM Avagene Moore:Are they good plans, in your opinion? Why or why not? 08:11:16 PM Amy Sebring:story has it that some of our local plans were received by State with the name Disasterville! 08:11:25 PM break:hehehe 08:11:33 PM Avagene Moore:I have heard that story too. 08:11:45 PM break:boiler plates 08:11:46 PM Rick Tobin:The move is to shorter, more readable, and splitting action from policy---keep the meat and the dairy products separate!! 08:11:53 PM Avagene Moore:Are model plans still in use? 08:12:39 PM Amy Sebring:Use may not be the right word. 08:13:04 PM break:most plans can not be found during an emergency 08:13:25 PM Amy Sebring:I have been told recently that in a real emergency, the plan goes out the window. 08:13:44 PM Amy Sebring:There is a perception that planning is done because it is required...not that it is real. 08:14:00 PM break:Eisenhower was supposed to have said....it is not the plans, it is the planning 08:14:14 PM Don McGrath:a plan is to be used as an aid in a real disaster, unless the real disaster has been planned exatly like it happened. 08:14:19 PM Amy Sebring:I truly believe in the planning process...call me naive. 08:14:43 PM Randall Duncan:I think the real question we're dancing around is what is a plan? Is it a policy document or a checklist of items to accomplish. The real answer is a little of both, although the more modern practice seems to be leaving the checklist to the SOP / SOG. 08:14:52 PM Janet Dilling:Whew! I think I made it! 08:15:00 PM Amy Sebring:Everybody clap. 08:15:05 PM break:yeah 08:15:06 PM Amy Sebring:(clap clap) 08:15:11 PM Avagene Moore:Janet is hear. Clap Clap Clap! 08:15:15 PM Randall Duncan:Welcome, Janet! 08:15:17 PM Janet Dilling:Let me review and see where we are and if I can catch up! 08:15:25 PM Rick Tobin:Hopefully we'll get to talk about AI and what that means for the future of use of plans during disaster, versus developing them. 08:15:36 PM Don McGrath:a plan is a guide a plan can have scripts which should be exact 08:15:53 PM Janet Dilling:Thanks guys! Sorry 08:16:33 PM Janet Dilling:When Avagene asked me to participate in this discussion, 08:16:48 PM Janet Dilling:When Avagene asked me to participate in this discussion, 08:17:12 PM Janet Dilling:I forewarned her that I have a somewhat jaded perception 08:18:07 PM Janet Dilling:Everything does not seem to be going to you guys 08:18:47 PM Janet Dilling:Amy, I seemed to catch a little about you believing in the planning process - so do I 08:19:24 PM Janet Dilling:However, I do think that emergency plans, as they are commonly written, are ineffective 08:20:16 PM Janet Dilling:Do you think that plans in a volitile crisis environment are too inflexible? 08:20:43 PM Don McGrath:I would like to hear more about ineffective plans in the time of a disaster or are they ineffective people? 08:21:15 PM break:Well, take a look at all the Radiological Emergency Preparedness plans that have been developed 08:21:31 PM break:out county plans in NYS are like telephone books 08:21:36 PM Amy Sebring:Responders are concerned about flexibility issue. 08:21:38 PM Janet Dilling:Planners would argue I think that good plans prohibit ineffective people 08:22:09 PM Amy Sebring:My problem is just how MUCH should be in plans. I think we try to cram too much in. 08:22:32 PM Rick Tobin:Tobinism, "Plans for training, plans for practise, memory and guts during a response." 08:22:40 PM Janet Dilling:I think plans have their place - I would just like to see more emphasis on the planning process and coordination rather than putting out an impressive looking document. 08:22:43 PM Amy Sebring:I like the Federal Response Plan in that it basically just says who is doing what. 08:22:50 PM Avagene Moore:'Break', you are talking about planning-by- the-pound, right? Bigger and heavier is somehow better? 08:22:57 PM Don McGrath:If you had a event and you had a problem you would be looking for more detail in a plan to assist you 08:23:11 PM Janet Dilling:I agree with Rick that people do not look at plans in a disaster. 08:23:16 PM Amy Sebring:And it includes a committment from the players to develop their own SOPs or whatever we are calling them these days. 08:23:24 PM Avagene Moore:I don't think they look at them then either. 08:23:46 PM Randall Duncan:Janet, Rick, others -- I think there's a perfectly reasonable reason why people don't look at the plan during the disaster. We should ALWAYS remember the reality modifies all plans. 08:23:56 PM Amy Sebring:At time of disaster you need job aids, which are based on the plan. 08:24:11 PM Janet Dilling:My experience is the detail, Don, is usually missing from the plan. 08:24:11 PM break:That is it Amy 08:24:14 PM Don McGrath:plans can be practiced and then be it used by reading or just a reference it is still an advantage that I would not want to be without 08:24:30 PM Rick Tobin:Janet, have you consider the movement to using plans in an artificial intelligence (IA) environment with PDA's? 08:24:35 PM Amy Sebring:Detail should not be in the basic plans. 08:24:46 PM Amy Sebring:Detail should be at the SOP and job aide level. 08:24:54 PM break:What is a PDA? 08:25:11 PM Don McGrath:the more you paractice a plan the more you realize what detail you have an interest in including 08:25:13 PM Randall Duncan:Personal Digital Assistant -- palm pilot, etc. 08:25:20 PM Janet Dilling:Do you think if you go through the planning process thoroughly, and do a short executive summary of roles and responsibilities along with a strong hazard/vulnerability analysis and capability assessment, you are well served? 08:25:32 PM Rick Tobin:Thx Randall 08:25:46 PM Amy Sebring:The problem I find is with subcontracting the plan writing. 08:26:02 PM Amy Sebring:Any benefit from the process is largely lost. 08:26:25 PM Don McGrath:contracting or subcontracting does not change acceptance of the plan as being a working doc 08:26:38 PM Janet Dilling:Amy, I absolutely agree. If you don't plan with your organization, the plan is worthless. 08:26:47 PM Amy Sebring:It loses the benefit of working through the details and discovering what is needed. 08:27:05 PM Janet Dilling:Perhaps, worthless was a little strong 08:27:07 PM Amy Sebring:(Apologies to any future consultants!) 08:27:07 PM Rick Tobin:I don't know that I'd totally agree about that. I've written a lot of plans as a consultant...the problem is, the client may want something and not realize how inappropriate it is for their culture---ever culture processes differently in disaster. 08:27:20 PM Avagene Moore:You lose in many ways if people don't help write and buy into the plan. 08:27:43 PM Janet Dilling:Me too and I am one. 08:27:44 PM Don McGrath:One of the most helpful planning tools is to have an "outsider" review a plan and ask the questions that others pass over 08:28:08 PM break:that is true, sometimes it takes a stranger... 08:28:31 PM Janet Dilling:Does anyone out there see the opportunity to link the emergency planning process with the strategic planning process? 08:28:39 PM Rick Tobin:New eyes, please...we need not be strange. 08:28:44 PM Amy Sebring:What is the reality of the current situation? Still. 08:28:53 PM break:hehe 08:29:01 PM Rick Tobin:Janet, that is absolutely critical. It is happening. 08:29:17 PM Amy Sebring:Rick, you have uniform planning in California under SEMS? Not sure if I have the right name. 08:29:24 PM Amy Sebring:How does that work in reality? 08:29:31 PM Janet Dilling:Rick, tell me more about where you see it happening. I am a believer 08:29:34 PM Don McGrath:recovery needs to be planned from the strategic development of what you are planning to recovery from..ie prior to building a building plan the exists 08:29:53 PM Rick Tobin:Actually, we have guidance, but there will never be "uniform" planning in California. Too many teapots....similar maybe...but never uniform. 08:30:21 PM Amy Sebring:The reality I see is that a plan is considered a document...like a dictionary. 08:30:47 PM Amy Sebring:And used about as much! 08:30:47 PM Randall Duncan:Janet -- I have a question for you? Which is more important, the planning process or the plan? 08:31:04 PM Rick Tobin:The use of strategic planning forges a plan that is real...but you have to rewrite it every year with that in mind. Business in way ahead of the public sector in that regard. But they have to....but State OES got the message and they and other state agencies are becoming relentless on using their strategic plan as a base. 08:31:09 PM Janet Dilling:I think that if you build off of your HA/VA and CA, and identify goals and objectives to fix shortcomings, adopt strategies, get buy in and exercise and train like crazy you are well served. 08:31:34 PM Don McGrath:when you look at a plan in detail you start looking at your current normal actions and what you would/should do differently during an event 08:31:44 PM Janet Dilling:Randy, No question in my mind - the process 08:31:49 PM Amy Sebring:In my planning course, SOP's were not even mentioned. 08:32:07 PM Amy Sebring:Does anyone use? 08:32:30 PM Rick Tobin:I've always like the way the French use SOPs instead of their plan in emergencies. 08:32:37 PM Janet Dilling:Randy, why did you ask? 08:32:40 PM Don McGrath:you bet we reference them and detail only the differences or variances 08:33:15 PM Janet Dilling:Amy, I think SOP's are a good idea, especially for procedures that are fairly uniform 08:33:21 PM Amy Sebring:From your SOP's with detail you can develop the checklists and job aids. 08:33:27 PM Avagene Moore:I think SOPs and checklists are the most useful products of the planning process. Certainly useful. 08:33:41 PM Rick Tobin:In a French nuke plant, the SOPs, depending on the situation, are in colored folders in hot files on the wall. You need one, you go pick what you need, not a 40 lb book. 08:34:11 PM Amy Sebring:I want an SOP on every support function desk in the EOC...dream on. 08:34:18 PM Randall Duncan:Janet -- I posed the question to start the philosophical discussion about what's important in a plan. I would respectfully suggest I agree with you. I'd rather engage in a collobarative planning process than simply use "boiler plate." 08:34:19 PM Rick Tobin:Why aren't we doing that here? 08:34:20 PM Janet Dilling:Yes, there are too many 40lb books! 08:35:13 PM Amy Sebring:I hate to mention, but some of those consultants have 40 lb. boilerplate, and I am thinking of industry plans here. 08:35:16 PM Don McGrath:if you have a 40lb book outline and reference the detail if needed 08:35:34 PM Amy Sebring:Why have a 40 lb. book to begin with Don? 08:35:37 PM break:We need to forget copies, hot files, flash cards, 3 ring binders.....all our plans belong on computers 08:35:40 PM Avagene Moore:Are states still requiring the basic format and annexes that make it easier for them to do their crosswalks through your plan in a review? 08:35:48 PM Janet Dilling:There is only one instance that I see the need for a boiler plate framework - that is in a very very small jurisdiction with a very part-time coordinator and part time EOC staff. Without the help of a plan, they would be very hampered. 08:35:56 PM Tim Murphy:If FEMA would buy into useful instead of large plans, maybe the state EMs could make it happen. 08:36:02 PM Rick Tobin:Janet, what I found as a consultant was, are you writing for the legal reviewers or for the users? That has got to change. 08:36:18 PM Amy Sebring:Absolutely Ava. I can give you a specific from today. 08:36:31 PM Janet Dilling:I am concerned that jurisdictions are often only doing a plan to pass a review as well. 08:36:38 PM Don McGrath:if the detail is available and used during normal functions it should be at least noted that it is available during an event...it could answer a question 08:36:48 PM Randall Duncan:That was FEMA guidance formerly contained in CPG 1-8 and 1-8a. Those documents are no longer required, they are merely "guidelines." Many states, including my own (Kansas) have developed their own "planning standards." 08:37:09 PM Avagene Moore:Randy, does that mean a model is given to go by? 08:37:23 PM Janet Dilling:But they do have "planning standards" Randy. 08:37:25 PM Tim Murphy:Are the KS standards any moer usealble? 08:37:29 PM Amy Sebring:Our state keeps adding letters of the alphabet and we are running out! 08:37:38 PM Don McGrath:I would rather be able to reference a detail doc than not know where more information is if requested or needed 08:37:58 PM break:aa, bb, cc, dd 08:38:01 PM Rick Tobin:I wrote an Excel spread sheet for CPG 1-8A, and it was a monster. I think it was good for awareness purposes, but not for writing a concise plan. 08:38:02 PM Amy Sebring:40 lb plans do not get read don 08:38:08 PM Randall Duncan:Avagene -- our planning standards are the absolute opposite of boiler plate. A requirement to plan is identified, statements are made about how the plan need to indicate the requirement is met. The format is no longer even dictated! 08:38:17 PM Janet Dilling:I do know director and EM staff that spend so much time trying to meet guidelines that would be better served coordinating and exercising 08:38:37 PM Rick Tobin:Applause for Janet on that!!! 08:38:40 PM Avagene Moore:I am glad to hear that Randy. I don't think that is true everywhere and that bothers me. 08:38:51 PM Janet Dilling:That is good Randy. 08:39:25 PM Randall Duncan:I chuckled greatly about you "Tobinism" earlier, Rick. I agree with you. A great plan should be so simple that it DOES gather dust during the emergency ... because everyone knows it by heart! 08:39:27 PM Janet Dilling:How can we fix that problem, Rick? OThers? 08:39:35 PM Don McGrath:your right amy and a plan without content is worthless 08:39:48 PM Amy Sebring:The existing planning guidance is response only, we need to plan for the other 3 phases as well. 08:39:57 PM Avagene Moore:I believe that local EMs should be the drivers for better plans. Can that happen? 08:40:25 PM Avagene Moore:In other words, don't wait for it to happen top down' 08:40:29 PM Janet Dilling:That is one reason I was advocating linking emergency and strategic planning so that you systematically look at all 4 phases 08:40:43 PM Rick Tobin:Drill every month on the net.....twice (yes, twice a year) live....and modify the plan permanently, and procedures, during the critiques, not a year later. 08:41:10 PM Don McGrath:it has to be a proactive force but not a do as I say and do group be flexable....not everyone needs detail instructions...but some do.. 08:41:14 PM Avagene Moore:How many state and local agencies have strategic plans? 08:41:38 PM Janet Dilling:Yes, Rick that means people need to do a better job of tracking progress on corrective actions 08:41:50 PM Amy Sebring:What are we talking about specifically with strategic planning? 08:42:22 PM Janet Dilling:Avagene, I think most do, however I do not think they integrate that planning vertically and horizontally as much as they should 08:43:00 PM Don McGrath:If you incorporate dr planning into the normal growth and normal work procedures and practices you will get better results than having a separate rule a "book" 08:43:01 PM Rick Tobin:A corrective action that cannot be resolved in 6 weeks should be a strategic planning topic. 08:43:21 PM Janet Dilling:I agree Rick 08:43:53 PM Rick Tobin:The answer to your next question is," That's mighty fast." Well, Mother Nature doesn't wait. 08:43:58 PM Janet Dilling:Yes Don, it like everything else should be integrated 08:44:32 PM Avagene Moore:Amy, did we answer your question about strategic planning or not? 08:44:37 PM Don McGrath:what planning should not be strategic and is 6 weeks the difference between tactical and strategic? 08:44:39 PM Amy Sebring:Not really. 08:44:55 PM Janet Dilling:What do you think is the most critical part of the planning process or the plan? 08:45:04 PM Avagene Moore:Janet, please define strategic planning. 08:45:37 PM Robert Simpson:the most critical part is the listing of agencies which will carry out the plan 08:45:45 PM Janet Dilling:Don, in response, I think that is one way to look at it, another is complexity and the strategies needed to achieve the end result 08:46:04 PM Rick Tobin:Janet, would you say tactical is response and field oriented, while strategic is policy and resource oriented? 08:46:23 PM Randall Duncan:For the sake of furthering the discussion, please accept my humble offering -- and please feel free to poke the appropriate holes in it! Strategic planning can be likened to policy issues within the plan. Tactical planning can be paralleled to SOPs / SOGs. 08:46:50 PM Robert Simpson:bingo Randy 08:46:50 PM Janet Dilling:Ummn, I not sure I agree with that Rick. I think I might agree with Randy more. 08:47:58 PM Janet Dilling:But that is not quite it either. To me it is a matter of identifying where you need to be and what you need to do to get there and formalizing into a plan, that is still flexible enough to adjust. 08:48:51 PM Janet Dilling:That is why I said before that a good time to look at linking is is after you have identified your emergency management shortfalls in all 4 phases. 08:48:51 PM Amy Sebring:(Tim you with us? Jump in here.) 08:49:23 PM Randall Duncan:Maybe a more concrete example of strategic vs. tactical would be to put issues relating to the various types of fires (structure, wildland, etc.) into the policy part of the plan. There would be a prioritization of the types to fight first. The tactical details of hose size and hydrant flow belongs in the SOP / SOG stage. 08:49:27 PM Don McGrath:consider a plan as many compounded if's in a program and you select those that apply 08:50:27 PM Tim Murphy:We are in the strategic planning process now in SC and the real issue for us is how to survive as an organization....so I find it hard to add to this discussion . 08:51:07 PM Amy Sebring:That relates back to the potential of Artificial Intelligence Don. Don't think you can do what you suggest on paper. 08:51:46 PM Tim Murphy:The EM community is loosing Federal subsidy and has hard time keeping up with the times. 08:52:09 PM Amy Sebring:100% planners are likely to be cut. 08:52:22 PM Amy Sebring:Our state has not even filled empty positions. 08:52:26 PM Don McGrath:dont you think you cant preplan events and what would/should be done? 08:52:34 PM Amy Sebring:Its like they think all the planning has been done already. 08:53:08 PM Amy Sebring:Don, again its a question of how much detail can you put to paper and still get them read. 08:53:59 PM Don McGrath:amy, thats what I mean 100% planner are just planners the regular functions need to be doing the planning both strategic and tactical efforts for better results 08:54:00 PM Avagene Moore:My impression is that we have had so many years of planning/preparing to respond, hasn't worked all that well...now the emphasis is on recovery and particularly mitigation. Trying to make a difference from another angle. 08:55:05 PM Avagene Moore:(Janet are you back with us now?) She was bumped off a few minutes ago. 08:55:09 PM Rick Tobin:Janet, how are you adressing mitigation in your planning bases? 08:55:15 PM Amy Sebring:I think we are talking about 2 kinds of planning, 1. how to respond or whatever and 2. how to make my progams survive or get better. 08:55:23 PM Avagene Moore:Not sure she's back in yet, Rick. 08:57:12 PM Randall Duncan:Avagene and others. We just started using the collaborative planning process in Kansas in 1996. We have found one interesting draw-back to the process. The initial round of counties to bring their plans into compliance with the standard have nearly uniformly required two years to accomplish the task. 08:57:22 PM Avagene Moore:Janet says: In FL, that is a big thing. Developing a local mitigation strategy is becoming an important component and a lot of resources are going to make this happen. 08:57:24 PM Amy Sebring:When it comes to cross-checking plans Ava, as you mentioned earlier, there is no REALITY checking. 08:58:18 PM Amy Sebring:Where is validation to "ground truth?" 08:59:24 PM Rick Tobin:Janet and Randall, after Hurricane Hugo, I believe it was NC that put all of its counties in one auditorium and everyone hacked out a detailed, boiler plate plan in a couple of weeks.....it was a real sweat shop, but I guess it worked. 08:59:56 PM Avagene Moore:I had Janet on the phone again. She cannot get back in. Still crossing over to another part of the server we are on. She thanks you for your participation and your patience. 09:00:12 PM Amy Sebring:Tell her thanks as well Ava. 09:00:22 PM Amy Sebring:From all of us. 09:00:28 PM Avagene Moore:I did. We have to find out why that happened. 09:00:37 PM Robert Simpson:Avagene, this is the first time I could get on here, and it is functioning great for me 09:00:51 PM Amy Sebring:I think we can revisit this topic quite a bit. 09:00:59 PM Avagene Moore:Have we solved our planning problems? Answered all the questions? 09:01:13 PM Amy Sebring:NFPA 1600 may throw in a whole nuther wrinkle for future planning. 09:01:18 PM Robert Simpson:Planning is never done, continuous loop 09:01:26 PM Avagene Moore:Yes, this has been good and quite invigorating. 09:01:31 PM Randall Duncan:I don't think there's the slightest doubt that there is a lot more information / discussion / general gnashing of the teeth on this topic, yet! 09:01:40 PM Rick Tobin:So, Avagene, what is the possibility of the best practices menu for plan selection going up on the EIIP site? 09:01:52 PM Randall Duncan:I'd like to address the topic of NFPA 1600 for just a bit... 09:01:59 PM Amy Sebring:please do Randy. 09:02:02 PM Don McGrath:I plan to plan however if that is all I am doing the plan is not a success, not matter how much it weighs, however, a plan that solves a problem is worth its weight in gold 09:02:04 PM Avagene Moore:Good, I think, Rick. 09:02:22 PM Avagene Moore:Go ahead, Randy. 09:02:34 PM Randall Duncan:The recommended practice (...soon to be considered being adopted as a standard) was developed jointly by NFPA / FEMA / NEMA / the organization formerly known as NCCEM... 09:03:19 PM Randall Duncan:There are some very good components within NFPA 1600, but a number of us EMs worry is there's a possibility that with the document coming from NFPA, EM could be interpreted solely as a "fire" function... 09:03:49 PM Randall Duncan:I don't think that's the case at all. I recently received a letter from Mike Gregory in Virginia (an IAEM member) who is interested in seeing us become more active... 09:04:07 PM Randall Duncan:on the front of working with / setting "benchmarks" for emergency management... 09:04:23 PM Tim M:sorry, my PC crashed. 09:04:31 PM Randall Duncan:I am considering appointing a committee which would look into this subject, and perhaps set "benchmarks" for emergency management programs... 09:05:09 PM Robert Simpson:What is the status of the Incident Command System model, are EM agencies adopting this standard? 09:05:15 PM Randall Duncan:That would not necessarily derive completely from NFPA 1600. While I think the effort to develop it is great, I also recognize there are other equally valid standard- setting bodies which may one day choose to set EM standards... 09:06:30 PM Amy Sebring:Randy, we need to do another session entirely on NFPA 1600. 09:06:47 PM Avagene Moore:Yes, we do. 09:06:57 PM Amy Sebring:Can we keep planning discussion going on Preparedness mailing list? 09:07:40 PM Tim M:I would like to hear more about what is being done in KS. 09:07:58 PM Amy Sebring:Do you all know how to subscribe to mailing list? 09:08:17 PM Tim M:Yes, 09:08:32 PM Avagene Moore:Randy, you have something else to add? Oops. Randy was bumped from the discussion; that's why he didn't finish his statement. 09:08:44 PM Amy Sebring:Ava, would you be willing to summarize some of the key points from tonite and get it going? 09:09:01 PM Amy Sebring:(Mailing list discussion that is.) 09:09:01 PM Rick Tobin:The fire function things strikes me as humorous. In a medical coordinating meeting the other day a county health official was bemoaning the money going to firefighters. The official said, "Why do they get all this money? Nothing burns down anymore?" 09:09:23 PM Avagene Moore:Yes. I will do that. By the way, one of our recent Round Tables made it as an article in the IAEM newsletter. 09:09:42 PM Amy Sebring:Yes, it was very good...AND... 09:09:46 PM Avagene Moore:Upcoming issue that is. 09:10:03 PM Amy Sebring:Ava, will you mention the letter from Kay Goss to Kevin. That was our first round table. 09:10:21 PM Tim M:Enjoyed the very fast paced discussion, thanks everyone...good food for thought...goto go ...good night. 09:10:29 PM Amy Sebring:bye Tim 09:10:32 PM Avagene Moore:I didn't see that. Did it come today? I haven't check my email...please elaborate. 09:10:33 PM Robert Simpson:cya Tim 09:10:37 PM Amy Sebring:Speak of the devil, here is Kevin. 09:10:49 PM Avagene Moore:Hey, Kevin. Let him tell us. 09:11:02 PM Amy Sebring:Kevin, tell the folks about your letter from Kay Goss. We are just wrapping up. 09:11:12 PM Robert Simpson:Tim has set up a great computer management system 09:12:16 PM Kevin Farrell:Hi folks... Don't know how well I'll do tonite... eShare isn't being good to me tonite. 09:12:20 PM Avagene Moore:Since we mentioned NFPA 1600, want to encourage everyone to participate next Weds in the panel on the CAR. 09:12:49 PM Amy Sebring:Tim will be doing presentation on 29th of April. Come for that also. 09:12:49 PM Avagene Moore:Janet had all kinds of problems, too, Kevin. 09:13:02 PM Avagene Moore:Yes, Tim will have a good one. 09:13:14 PM Avagene Moore:Randy is back. 09:13:15 PM Amy Sebring:Kevin hosted our first Round Table Discussion. 09:13:27 PM Robert Simpson:Tim has done a great www briefing for us in New York State 09:13:28 PM Amy Sebring:Megan, who is with us tonite was featured... 09:13:39 PM Amy Sebring:as a high school student volunteer. 09:13:51 PM Kevin Farrell:Hi Amy... I'll try to be brief... I got a very nice letter from Kay Goss about the online session on the 12th. I was very impressed. 09:13:58 PM Avagene Moore:Yes, we are pleased to have Megan join us. 09:13:58 PM Amy Sebring:Some how, Kay must have gotten the transcript, and sent a letter. 09:14:11 PM Amy Sebring:Was it email letter Kevin? 09:14:22 PM Amy Sebring:or hard (gasp) copy? 09:14:32 PM Avagene Moore:They get all the transcripts and they are circulated within FEMA. 09:14:42 PM Randall Duncan:I apologize, Avagene, but when I get excited and / or enthuiastic about a topic, I want to get loud. Since I'm on internet and can't, I pound on the keyboard. Eventually (as you saw just a moment ago) the computer gently lets me know I'm too loud by locking up and throwing me out! 09:15:01 PM Avagene Moore:We understand..be cool. 09:15:04 PM Kevin Farrell:I didn't realize that the FEMA 'heavy hitters' were watching us. It makes me feel like we're doing something worthwhile. 09:15:23 PM Avagene Moore:Hey, they are talking about some type of hard copy publication of this stuff. 09:15:35 PM Megan Gilge:Sorry to say this, but I have to leave. It has been interesting. 09:15:39 PM Robert Simpson:oh boy......editor please 09:15:39 PM Avagene Moore:We are being scrutinized quite closely. 09:15:41 PM Amy Sebring:Do we want to do NFPA 1600 next Thursday? or do we have something scheduled already. 09:15:54 PM Avagene Moore:Thanks, Megan. come back when you can. Bye. 09:16:16 PM Avagene Moore:NFPA next Thursday is fine with me. How about you, Randy? 09:16:34 PM Avagene Moore:1600 that is. Now Amy has been bumped. 09:16:41 PM Randall Duncan:For those of you who are interested, the IAEM representative to the NFPA 1600 planning process is Leo Miller from Rhode Island. 09:16:54 PM Avagene Moore:Randy, could you join us next week? 09:17:03 PM Amy Sebring:Back. 09:17:03 PM Robert Simpson:what is NFPA please 09:17:16 PM Avagene Moore:NFPA 1600, Robert. 09:17:20 PM Amy Sebring:Sorry Robert. National Fire Protection Association 09:17:24 PM Randall Duncan:Maybe we can get in touch with Leo and see if he can join us. My calendar shows I'll be on the way to the Nebraska Association of Emergency Management conference next Thursday evening. 09:17:26 PM Amy Sebring:However, it is also ANSI 09:17:35 PM Avagene Moore:Supposedly to be the defacto EM standard eventually. 09:17:36 PM Amy Sebring:American National Standards Institute? 09:17:50 PM Robert Simpson:a standard would be nice 09:17:55 PM Amy Sebring:Does Leo HAVE a computer? 09:18:12 PM Avagene Moore:Where is Margaret Dimmick now? 09:18:22 PM Avagene Moore:She has some history with this. 09:18:54 PM Randall Duncan:Amy, Beth gave me an E-mail address for Leo the other day. Apparently he at least has access to one. As for Margaret, she was re-assigned within the City of Gresham, Oregon to a higher management position. It was a good advancement for her. She was our original NFPA 1600 watchdog. 09:19:25 PM Avagene Moore:If we could get in touch with her, do you think she would be interested? 09:19:43 PM Avagene Moore:She was good at it, I thought. 09:20:13 PM Randall Duncan:I know that she's well founded and versed in the origin of the NFPA 1600 recommended standard. I think one other thing we need to keep in mind is that Federal, State and Local law all have the ability to "supercede" any items of the standard. 09:20:41 PM Avagene Moore:A discussion the day after we talk CAR might be good. 09:21:06 PM Avagene Moore:Are you opposed to the standard, Randy? 09:21:16 PM Amy Sebring:Let's save it for next week!! 09:21:27 PM Avagene Moore:Randy won't be here. 09:21:41 PM Amy Sebring:A "standard" is important in tort liability regardless of "laws". 09:22:01 PM Avagene Moore:Probably too lengthy to go into this late though. 09:22:10 PM Randall Duncan:Avagene, is the CAR discussion set for Wednesday at noon? If so, I will join to at least participate in it. As for being opposed to the standard - - absolutely not. I just don't want there to be an appearance that emergency management belongs solely within the fire discipline. Any more than I would want the appearance it belongs solely to law enforcement. 09:22:22 PM Amy Sebring:Well, let's reschedule for another time when Randy can be there. 09:22:26 PM Avagene Moore:Yes, April 15 noon EDT. 09:22:56 PM Avagene Moore:OK. We can do it --- how about April 30th? 09:23:09 PM Amy Sebring:Randy, your calendar for the 30th? 09:23:24 PM Randall Duncan:Avagene, I'll try to track down a computer over at the Missouri Emergency Preparedness Association conference and join you from there on Wedneday. I am actually scheduled to be in the office on April 30, so that day would be great!~ 09:23:47 PM Amy Sebring:ok, we can do then 09:24:03 PM Avagene Moore:OK. We will schedule NFPA 1600 for Thursday night 4/30. 09:24:04 PM Amy Sebring:Thanks all. Got to go. 09:24:13 PM Robert Simpson:Well, I enjoyed this new experience 09:24:34 PM Avagene Moore:Me, too. Thanks to everyone. Been great! come back when you, Robert et all. 09:24:34 PM Amy Sebring:Come again please Robert. 09:24:50 PM Avagene Moore:Rick, you still with us? If so, thanks to you . 09:25:00 PM Robert Simpson:I will tell some people in our Office about this 09:25:04 PM Kevin Farrell:cya everyone! 09:25:05 PM Avagene Moore:Randy, good night. Good to have you as always. 09:25:12 PM Avagene Moore:Please do, Robert. 09:25:14 PM Amy Sebring:Little by little, step by step 09:25:27 PM Randall Duncan:Goodnight to all -- I've got to apologize for my vigor to my keyboard and fan the smoke out of the communications room! I always enjoy the chats! 09:25:33 PM Robert Simpson:we have to do one on WebSites too 09:26:23 PM Avagene Moore:We enjoy you being here, Randy. You are good at this. 09:26:34 PM Avagene Moore:Night to all! 09:26:37 PM Amy Sebring:The fast typists always have an advantage! 09:26:59 PM Amy Sebring:Talk to you later Rick. 09:27:23 PM Randall Duncan:One more parting shot -- my dear mother (who was born in Sturgis, Mississippi, Avagene) told me I was vaccanated with a Victrola needle as a baby. I guess neither of us knew the darn thing could type as well as talk... Good evening! 11:30:48 PM john degand:is this the Randall Duncan from Kansas. I'm to late but I,m sure it was a good topic 11:33:42 PM john degand:Yes there is a better way get many people involved and give them ownership in the process, that means more improvements and people willing to work together when the time comes