08:04:04 PM Avagene Moore:Welcome to the first EIIP Round Table Discussion! 08:04:28 PM Avagene Moore:Tonight's topic for discussion: "Is an aging population increasing our vulnerability to disasters into the next century?" ... 08:04:54 PM Avagene Moore:Before introducing our guests at the Round Table, I would like to remind you that this is an unmoderated session. 08:05:16 PM Avagene Moore:Your questions will go directly to our guests or anyone in the Virtual Forum as you direct.... 08:05:42 PM Avagene Moore:This is a serious discussion and courtesy is the rule of the evening.... 08:06:00 PM Avagene Moore:Please allow time for each speaker to complete their input .... 08:06:24 PM Avagene Moore:As a reminder, a sentence or two with an eclipse (....) will let others online know you have not finished your thought; a simple period at the end will signal that someone else can ask a question or make a comment..... 08:06:25 PM Jane Booker:Hi everyone, am I late? 08:07:03 PM Avagene Moore:To start our discussion, I will ask a few questions of our guests to give an overview of the Round Table topic; then we will open the floor for questions..... 08:07:49 PM Avagene Moore:We have momentarily lost one of our speakers, I believe. Eileen will be back in the room soon.... 08:08:13 PM Avagene Moore:I am honored to introduce our very special guests tonight .... 08:08:40 PM Avagene Moore:Eileen Murphy, Assistant Director, Senior Information & Assistance 08:09:04 PM Avagene Moore:Program, Senior Services of Seattle/King County .... 08:09:18 PM Avagene Moore:Sorry, part of Eileen's intro was cut off.... 08:09:36 PM Avagene Moore:Pamela Piering, Director, Aging & Disability Services Division, City of 08:09:51 PM Avagene Moore:Seattle .... 08:10:07 PM Avagene Moore:Jan Weaver, Director, National Academy on Teaching & Learning AboutAging, University of North Texas .... 08:10:40 PM Avagene Moore:And now our discussion..... 08:11:04 PM Avagene Moore:We know that our population is increasingly getting older. What kind of statistics can you give us about predictions for an aging population in the US? 08:11:21 PM Avagene Moore:Pam, would you like to start? 08:11:27 PM Eileen Murphy:In 1994, according to the Census Bureau, 1 in 8 Americans (over 33 million people) were over the age of 65. By 2050 the elderly population will double to 80 million and as many as 1 in 5 Americans could be elderly. Most of this growth will occur between 2010 and 2030 when the "baby boomers" enter their elderly years..... 08:11:45 PM Pamela Piering:Sure. I can throw out a big number, and I know Eileen has additional info... 08:12:00 PM Pamela Piering:By 2030, there will be about 70 million older persons... 08:12:08 PM Pamela Piering:more than twice their number in 1996... 08:12:31 PM Pamela Piering:People 65 plus are projected to represent almost 13"f the population in the year 2000... 08:12:39 PM Pamela Piering:but will be 20>y 2030. 08:12:52 PM Eileen Murphy:Also life expectancy continues to increase... 08:13:03 PM Jan W Weaver:There are currently about 35 million people in the US population who are 65 and older (that represents 12.6% of the total population).... 08:13:46 PM Eileen Murphy:Once we reach 65, we can expect to live another 17 years... 08:14:12 PM Jan W Weaver:This number will double by 2030.... 08:14:49 PM Jan W Weaver:The number of 85+ individuals is the fastest growing segment of the older population....The 85+ population will triple in size between 1980 and 2030. 08:15:42 PM Eileen Murphy:And this is the segment of the population that is most at risk 08:15:42 PM Avagene Moore:I believe Amy has a chart of interest (URL, please.) 08:15:47 PM Amy Sebring:http://www.aoa.dhhs.gov/aoa/STATS/Statesto2125.html 08:16:05 PM Avagene Moore:Eileen, what are some of the implications of an aging population? 08:16:09 PM Amy Sebring:(You can click on it to view in browser window) 08:16:48 PM Eileen Murphy:Emergency managers need to consider how to identify and assist people with special needs... 08:17:45 PM Eileen Murphy:Special concerns include:... 08:18:46 PM Eileen Murphy:people with sensory deprevation, chronic medical conditions and dementias, and mobility impairments. 08:19:12 PM Avagene Moore:Jan and Pamela, comments? 08:19:15 PM Jan W Weaver:Other implications include: (1)there will be a greater number of people in the population who need special assistance; and (2) there will also be a greater number of people in the population that will volunteer in disaster planning and preparation.... 08:20:05 PM Pamela Piering:In terms of planning, elders will be in the community in a variety of settings, not so much in institutional care as in the past. 08:20:29 PM Jan W Weaver:More than 70% of older people view their health as good--the leading health problems among older people are arthritis, hypertension, hearing impariments, and heart disease; Alzheimer's disease is the leading cause of cognitive impairment among people 65+.... 08:20:51 PM Avagene Moore:(Amy, next URL, please.) 08:20:56 PM Pamela Piering:Many, many elders will, indeed, be in their own homes -- they are healthier at the senior age than prior generations to a great extern. 08:21:22 PM Amy Sebring:This is a report on : Americans Less Likely to Use Nursing Home Care Today 08:21:30 PM Jan W Weaver:In other words, less than 20% of all people 65+ are functionally impaired....that means that 80% are healthy and active. 08:21:40 PM Amy Sebring:http://www.cdc.gov/nchswww/releases/97news/97news/nurs home.htm 08:21:56 PM Eileen Murphy:And are a valuable resource to their communities 08:21:59 PM Avagene Moore:Eileen, what are some of the implications of an aging population? 08:22:14 PM Avagene Moore:Sorry, wrong question. 08:22:27 PM Avagene Moore:an, will we as a nation face increasing problems from disasters due to larger numbers of elderly people? 08:22:40 PM Avagene Moore:Jan. Please? 08:23:57 PM Avagene Moore:Eileen and Pamela, any comments? 08:24:05 PM Jan W Weaver:There will be more people needing assistance, but also more people able to help. 08:25:24 PM Eileen Murphy:Also, many of the programs and services in the aging network can be mobilized to help provide both education and disaster relief 08:25:51 PM Pamela Piering:Should we move on to the next question about vulnerability? 08:26:36 PM Avagene Moore:I believe that was it, Pam. Do you have additional comments? 08:27:08 PM Avagene Moore:Ready for next question? 08:27:18 PM Eileen Murphy:Yes 08:27:22 PM Avagene Moore:What type of studies have been done by researchers and agencies that relate to emergency management and the elderly? 08:28:08 PM Eileen Murphy:The Federal Administration on Aging has put together an Emergency Preparedness Manual for the Aging Network and a disaster assistance plan. You can find it at on the Internet at: http://www.aoa.dhhs.gov/aoa/disaster/distrpg.html 08:28:09 PM Jan W Weaver:Research on older persons in disasters dates back at least to the early 1960s....Major studies include those conducted by HJ Friedsam, BD Bell, R Bolin, DJ Klenow, ML Coulter, JF Phifer, FH Norris, SW Poulshock, ES Cohen among others....In addition to Dr Friedsam's work here at UNT, Dr Ed Folts (now at Appalachian State), Peggy Higgins, and Dr Dave Neal have conducted studies such as Folts' research on disaster planning in adult day centers in Texas. 08:28:28 PM Avagene Moore:(Thanks, Amy.) 08:28:54 PM Amy Sebring:(that was Eileen!) 08:29:10 PM Avagene Moore:(Thanks, Eileen!) 08:29:52 PM Avagene Moore:Should this area receive more attention and planning focus from the emergency management community? 08:30:36 PM Jan W Weaver:Local emergency managers should make themselves known to community agencies, retirement facilities, nursing homes, and other organizations that serve older people for three reasons: (1) to educate seniors regarding disaster preparedness; (2) to recruit volunteers; and (3) to assist agency directors with the development of their disaster plans. 08:31:18 PM Pamela Piering:Excellent comment, Jan. I am pleased that we are looking at seniors as both a resource and as a challenge in anticipating disaster planning. 08:32:08 PM Avagene Moore:Any thoughts on this question, Eileen? 08:32:40 PM Avagene Moore:Are state Agencies on Aging personnel coordinating with state emergency management agencies? 08:32:41 PM Eileen Murphy:I agree with Jan & Pam. Also again, it's important not to forget agencies working with seniors 08:33:11 PM Avagene Moore:(Thanks for your response, Eileen.) 08:34:07 PM Jan W Weaver:I agree. Emergency Managers should contact national and state associations representing nursing homes, home care, adult day services, retirment housing, and support services....Examples include the American Association of Homes and Services for the Aging (AAHSA), National Adult Day Services Association (NADSA), National Association for Home Care (NAHC), and numerous others. 08:34:45 PM Pamela Piering:I can add to this as a representative of an area agency on aging... 08:35:11 PM Pamela Piering:We are housed in city government and as such have stong connections to the emergency response/disaster planning world. 08:35:26 PM Avagene Moore:Other comments before we open up the floor to our audience? 08:35:29 PM Pamela Piering:As the funder of Information and Assistance, and the providers of case management... 08:35:53 PM Pamela Piering:We have the unique capacity to link frail elders with publicly funded assistance in the form of ... 08:36:16 PM Pamela Piering:Followup calls from case managers to their isolated clients (we have 4,000 of them in King County)... 08:36:54 PM Pamela Piering:And in coordination with Information and Assistance, we can get the word out through general information and potential telephone reassurance during the time of an emergency. 08:36:58 PM Eileen Murphy:I agree. Also there are Senior Information and Assistance programs throughout the country that along with other service providers could provide valuabe assistance in gap-filling services forllowing a disaster which could continue through long term recovery 08:37:09 PM Jan W Weaver:State Agencies on Aging in most states would probably be interested in collaborating with emergency planners for educational offerings at state aging conferences....Collaboration on the local level should also take place. 08:37:50 PM Pamela Piering:We have had some experience with this recently with power outages and severe weather ... 08:38:17 PM Pamela Piering:And we are learning more each time. Of course, these have been smaller crises, but key to learn from. 08:38:24 PM Avagene Moore:Very good discussion! Now let's take a question from our audience. 08:38:56 PM Amy Sebring:I think we all agree that collaboration would be a good thing... 08:39:07 PM Amy Sebring:my question is: Is this happening... 08:39:15 PM Amy Sebring:and if not, how do we make it happen? 08:39:33 PM Pamela Piering:I think that it is happening on a case-by-case basis... 08:39:46 PM Pamela Piering:some communities are more in tune with these issues than others... 08:39:52 PM Rick Tobin:Just a short note. I'm working on two committees in California dealing with these vary issues: one is for ADA and shelters, and the other is for the evacuation and care of the medically fragile. The Dept. of Aging is deeply involved. 08:40:20 PM Pamela Piering:Clearly, the directives for the plan requirements could mandate coordination with the aging network. 08:40:45 PM Pamela Piering:That's great, Rick. 08:41:02 PM Jan W Weaver:I have consulted with numerous adult day centers and nursing homes that have 15-20 year old disaster plans in their policy manuals---when I ask, many of them tell me they are not aware of who the local emergency planner is---I, too, would like to know how to get the word out. 08:41:54 PM Amy Sebring:We have laws from the state Health Dept. that have not been coordinated with EM community at all. 08:42:04 PM Rick Tobin:The responsibility still lies with organizations making themselves know to local government planners. These planners are often too stretched to do outreach to all their constituent groups. 08:42:05 PM Pamela Piering:Recently I believe FEMA issued some guidance about coordinating with aging organizations, so that might help. 08:42:33 PM Amy Sebring:They did? They have more in their latest guidance about pets! 08:42:48 PM Rick Tobin:I have not seen any FEMA guidance like that....if you know a specific reference it would be most helpful. 08:42:49 PM Pamela Piering:You are right. Here in Seattle, we have a Human Services Functional Group, as well as one dedicated to Health issues. 08:43:34 PM Pamela Piering:My experience was that our local Admin on Aging office contacted me and asked for an aging rep to attend a FEMA planning session... 08:44:01 PM Amy Sebring:We in EM community really lack a clear focus on what expectations of us are in this area. 08:44:03 PM Pamela Piering:They were quite specific in their request, which led me to believe that it was more broad than local interest... but I may be wrong. 08:44:07 PM Jane Booker:Doesn't Fema and the State response teams assist the elderly in the disaster recovery centers? 08:44:31 PM Amy Sebring:They are phasing them out and phasing in 800 numbers. 08:44:35 PM Rick Tobin:The National Fire Academy put out an evacuation guide, with FEMA, on evacuation of those with handicaps from buildings, but I've seen nothing else that even comes close. 08:44:47 PM Avagene Moore:One of the things we are running into repeatedly in the EIIP Virtual Forum as we bring people together is that they we aren't talking and working together very well, if at all. This type of discussion can perhaps bring some of these issues to the forefront. 08:45:11 PM Amy Sebring:Is there anyone at national level AoA still working in this area? 08:45:22 PM Pamela Piering:Another mechanism for communication is educational presentations/discussions like this at aging/EM conferences. 08:45:22 PM Amy Sebring:I have not seen anything dated later than 1995. 08:45:55 PM Pamela Piering:Their web page that Eileen referenced was interesting ... I hadn't seen that before. 08:46:22 PM Avagene Moore:Pamela, please clarify. Do you mean we need to make these opportunities happen? Or are there some conferences already planned? 08:46:39 PM Rick Tobin:If you haven't seen it, please let me highly recommend the Florida report called," Governor's Committee on Disaster Planning and Response Review". It covers many ancillary issues related to this subject, and how they are dealing with them using legislation. 08:46:50 PM Pamela Piering:I was thinking about how to make this conversation happen in other venues. 08:47:23 PM Amy Sebring:Problem with conferences is we all have our separate conferences. 08:47:29 PM Avagene Moore:Good. With your help and support, maybe we can all make it happen. 08:47:34 PM Amy Sebring:Need to find a way to do some crossing over 08:47:57 PM Pamela Piering:Maybe cross fertilization is needed ... 08:48:00 PM Rick Tobin:You know, NEMA ought to be highlighting this issue soon. 08:48:16 PM Avagene Moore:Exactly, Amy. Why not have a summit of some type to discuss these issues? 08:48:19 PM Pamela Piering:two senior organizations that have annual national conferences are American Society on Aging and the National Council on Aging ... 08:49:01 PM Avagene Moore:We need to tie them in with NCCEM and NEMA and FEMA, etc. 08:49:22 PM Eileen Murphy:I also know that the national Alliance of Information and Referral Serives is very interested in this.... 08:49:53 PM Eileen Murphy:because our agencies are often a critical focus during emergencies 08:49:58 PM Avagene Moore:OK. We have a good little audience. Come on folks, ask a question. Yes, Eileen, AIRS and NERIN work in the EIIP. 08:50:29 PM Avagene Moore:Until a year ago, I had never heard of AIRS. 08:50:36 PM Rick Tobin:Here's the NERIN site:http://www.airs.org/nerin/ 08:50:50 PM Jan W Weaver:NCOA had a presentation on disaster planning 4 or 5 years ago---I've not seen anything at ASA--- but I agree, they would be good places to offer education to aging services providers. 08:51:29 PM Avagene Moore:We can certainly use this session to push home the point from our perspective. 08:51:35 PM Eileen Murphy:AARP is the largest non-profit organization of older people in the US. Their focus is generally health and economic issues but they could be a very valuable resource.. 08:52:15 PM Eileen Murphy:1. because o f the number of volunteer they have, 2. they do a great job with publications and education.. 08:52:36 PM Jan W Weaver:And AARP has State Agencies on Aging in most states would probably be interested in collaborating with emergency planners for educational offerings at state aging conferences....Collaboration on the local level should also take place. 08:52:37 PM Avagene Moore:Yes, that was one question I didn't ask since we were running long; the AARP could be a strong proponent and voice. 08:52:43 PM Rick Tobin:The issue surrounding many of these issues is how to make partnering work at the local level, where things really happen. That takes time and an easily accessible point of contact that is "stable". 08:52:45 PM Eileen Murphy:adn maybe they could use their vast lobbying and advocacy skills to bring this issue to the forefront 08:53:23 PM Avagene Moore:Perhaps we can push the AARP in that direction. 08:53:47 PM Amy Sebring:(nudge may be a better word) 08:53:59 PM Pamela Piering:they are broad in their call for presentations ... both happen in March... 08:53:59 PM Avagene Moore:Questions, Neil, Jane, Martin, Jim, Dennis, Megan and Ashley? 08:54:53 PM Eileen Murphy:It has been my experience that the best collaboration occurs following an emergency and when things get back o normal, the collaboration peters out 08:55:10 PM Amy Sebring:The local level needs the guidance from the state and fed. levels ... 08:55:24 PM Avagene Moore:Same everywhere, Eileen. Small window of opportunity. 08:55:27 PM Rick Tobin:To our panel I would also note the dichotomy of challenge: mature adults packed into cities, making any event a real challenge for transportation, and rural elderly who can't get enough services during disaster. 08:55:41 PM Amy Sebring:however, with the focus on mitigation this year ... 08:56:12 PM Eileen Murphy:Rick, you're right 08:56:24 PM Dennis Dura:No specific questions...here in NJ the State OEM has just started to tackle these problems. We ran two different FEMA course just last week. We combined Emergency Managers and Agency personnel. The Emergency Managers wanted to know exactly how to do things-- "checklists", the agecies were just very excited to be there. 08:56:36 PM Amy Sebring:Our home health care agencies are growing like weeds ... 08:56:55 PM Amy Sebring:they are being told to send a list of patients requiring assistance at the time.... 08:57:04 PM Martin Wade:State Agencies, such as our local Council on Aging has built a database of Elderly and Special Needs persons, but local agencies if "nudged' will do something but only if nudged. 08:57:18 PM Amy Sebring:there will be no transportationa available for individual pick ups on an ad hoc basis. 08:57:34 PM Dennis Dura:We found ADA issues to be a very hot topic with Emergency Managers when it came to sheltering issues. 08:58:02 PM Amy Sebring:Most of them feel it is a scary can of worms. 08:58:46 PM Dennis Dura:Guidance on "Registries" was another! 08:58:47 PM Jan W Weaver:And ADA compliance is expensive. 08:59:06 PM Eileen Murphy:That's why the Administration on Aging is encouraging senior centers, adult day health centers, etc. to be used as shelters 08:59:10 PM AK Miller:Are there any generic emergency planing documents for Nursing homes and Senior centers.......The only thing I found in common across my county was they were all planning on using the same assets and didn't talk to each other about assisting each other with housing and staffing if only one was affected by a disaster most used the local hospital as their alternate site!! 08:59:29 PM Rick Tobin:Well, the Florida ADA community is in the process of suing shelter providers for non-compliance, Just a heads up. 08:59:50 PM Dennis Dura:NJ has some generic nursing home guidance. A state law requires them to plan. 09:00:27 PM Amy Sebring:What we see with health services required to plan is the usual ... 09:00:37 PM Rick Tobin:To AK Miller---same here. But we learned some tough lesson in the 1997 flood when we moved 150,000 people in two days. We have one county here that has done an incredible job of bridging these gaps...and its a rural county. 09:00:38 PM Amy Sebring:they have a plan on the shelf because it is required. 09:01:20 PM Amy Sebring:A focused research report would be one way of getting attention. 09:01:46 PM Amy Sebring:The problem is obviously going to get bigger. 09:01:52 PM Rick Tobin:There are lots of directives for elder care facilities to plan...but no clear content guides and checklists. The QA/QC is lacking. 09:02:09 PM Avagene Moore:Florida passed legislation requiring plans by a certain date (that has passed.) The plans had to be approved by the local EM office. Do you know how that is going, Rick? 09:02:10 PM Martin Wade:The Nursing Homes and Elderly Councils are encouraged to develop their own plans, yet very little assistance is given the nursing home, etc. yet the Nursing Homes are encouraging family members to step in when needed. 09:02:20 PM Jan W Weaver:State regulations require adult day centers and nursing homes in Texas to have "current" plans, too---but there doesn't seem to be much review or enforcement. 09:02:43 PM Amy Sebring:Not to mention ANY of the coordination or review that AK was referring to. 09:03:01 PM Avagene Moore:Who's reviewing the reviewer? 09:03:02 PM Amy Sebring:We did have someone doing some planning at state, but he was pulled off to do drought. 09:04:04 PM Rick Tobin:Well, the Floridians passed laws to provide funding for that review, and that's the only reason it is beginning to work...but it is a huge project. We convinced local providers to do that in many California counties, and some local emergency planners went ballistic over the increased workload. 09:04:33 PM Jan W Weaver:I encourage senior involvement--- trained senior volunteers to assist with these efforts on the local level---of course, someone has to be available to do the training---that might be another can of worms. 09:04:42 PM Avagene Moore:In Florida, there was a charge that went with the review. 09:04:58 PM Amy Sebring:Ahhh...funding source! 09:05:11 PM Rick Tobin:Just like the ADA...it all comes down to who will pay. 09:05:18 PM Avagene Moore:Depending on number of facilities in a community, an EM office could hire someone to help. 09:05:42 PM Avagene Moore:Still, what are the qualifications of a reviewer? 09:05:42 PM Martin Wade:Florid funds their EM thru a small levy on insurance policys. 09:06:07 PM Amy Sebring:Perhaps we can work health services facilities into NFPA 1600! 09:06:20 PM Avagene Moore:Is it a good plan just because it passed a review? 09:06:29 PM Rick Tobin:Exactly. 09:06:40 PM Amy Sebring:Depends on how it is reviewed and by whom. 09:06:56 PM Amy Sebring:If you are just bouncing against a checklist for included elemnets, no. 09:07:00 PM Avagene Moore:Sounds like there are areas for improvement. That's the rub, Amy. 09:07:27 PM Avagene Moore:Folks, we have discussed this for an hour. Any consensus as we think about calling it a night? 09:07:29 PM Amy Sebring:(I have to go home and set up my new computer. How about coming up with some action items?) 09:07:43 PM Rick Tobin:Someone mentioned earlier about having plans where care facilities had planned to use the same facilities without telling them. We had one situation where a nursing home was dumping patients at the back door of a hospital that had already been evacuated. This needs attention. 09:07:58 PM Eileen Murphy:Thnks Avagene, I enjoyed the opportunity to join you tonight 09:08:05 PM Amy Sebring:It worse if you don't plan than if you do! 09:08:29 PM Avagene Moore:Good idea, Amy. Eileen, before you leave. Any other thoughts? 09:08:38 PM Amy Sebring:We hope to do something further during May.... 09:08:38 PM Pamela Piering:Clearly this topic merits more discussion... I know I will give it additional thought here locally. 09:08:49 PM Rick Tobin:If people want copies of the California reports when they are done, please contact me. 09:08:52 PM Amy Sebring:which will be an elderly month or something. 09:09:08 PM Eileen Murphy:I concur with Pam 09:09:09 PM Amy Sebring:Will post tonight's transcript.... 09:09:12 PM Pamela Piering:Older American's Month -- the terminology is key... 09:09:13 PM Avagene Moore:Pamela and Jan? You were very good in your presentations. Thought provoking discussion. 09:09:31 PM Amy Sebring:in the Virtual Forum area, Ongoing Issues section... 09:09:38 PM Amy Sebring:early next week. 09:09:47 PM Pamela Piering:Actually, my computer froze for about 5 minutes, then came back live for me to participate. 09:09:51 PM Avagene Moore:If we don't come up with action items tonight, I think we can analyze the discussion and come up with some to carry this discussion further. 09:10:12 PM Pamela Piering:Thanks for your interest... I have learned from our discussion. 09:10:14 PM AK Miller:Rick - this was the problem with the plans I reviewed.. and Luckily the problem was found when we invited one nursing home to be part of an exercise and other Nh's personel to be involved in the critique. 09:10:42 PM Rick Tobin:I enjoyed meeting you all. Power to the Gray Panthers cause we'll all be there soon enough. 09:10:51 PM Pamela Piering:You betcha. 09:11:03 PM Avagene Moore:This would make an excellent Discussion Group talk and Mailing List. 09:11:20 PM Jan W Weaver:I've enjoyed the discussion---I'll share these concerns with the Emergency Administration faculty and students here at UNT. 09:11:28 PM Avagene Moore:Thank you, Eileen, Pamela, and Jan. You were great! Thanks to our audience too. 09:11:46 PM Eileen Murphy:Thank you.. Goodbye 09:11:47 PM Avagene Moore:We will follow up on these ideas and concerns. More discussion ideas. 09:11:55 PM Pamela Piering:Good bye. 09:11:59 PM Rick Tobin:Bye 09:12:02 PM Avagene Moore:Thank you. Good night. 09:12:07 PM AK Miller:If there are generic plans for NH and senior centers could they be posted for download? 09:12:11 PM Jan W Weaver:Good night everybody. 09:12:19 PM Avagene Moore:To all our audience. Thank you. bye Jan. 09:12:24 PM Jane Booker:I don't have a question, only a comment. I am very impressed with all the info I have gotten tonight. It is my first time in this type of forum . Thank you all!